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[quote=""Emmaly""]So theres my short term plan. Comments?[/quote]

Interesting reading - I'm sure we could all come up with plans for the park, but the fact of the matter is that all of the rides you intend to renovate have past their best. The Yankee Clipper is worn out, the Motion Master never runs at capacity and the Helter Skelter... if I was a Health & Safety bod I would have that torn down ASAP!

My solutin for the park would be to invest in 2-3 of what I would call 'transit system' rides, from the likes of WGH Engineering (who built the flume and RMT at American Adventure). These are the sort of rides that younger visitors enjoy. I would build one under cover by demolishing the back half of the mall and building a new structure there, one in the old cart track area, and another possibly in Spaceport (but see below).

The sort of ride I am thinking of are the sorts found at Sundown Adventureland near Retford, their Tractor Ride is one of the best themed rides I have ever been on. One of my rides would be a water based ride, similar but not on the same scale as Excalibur at Drayton.

Forget Spaceport, the theme is dead, much better to go for a 1950s Rock 'n' Roll theme, possibly with a themed show as in Silver City.

Oh, and I'd introduce real steam locomotives to the railway, just my personal preference... something like this:
http://www.miniaturerailways.fotopic.net/p6443940.html

I can dream! :)
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i would like to know if american adventure s taking note of these ideas !!!!!! they really should !
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They have plans, I'm sure of that.

I think for the moment they just want to pay off their debts, after that, the investment should start :D .
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But as anybody seen the parks debts? They must be massive, seeing as the company would have taken a loan to origianlly buy the park, then they would have taken on loans brought on by previous owners that paid for thier developments, then add to this the fact that the park as operated in the red for around three or four years, but it is rumoured the park is actually making a bit of profit again now, hence the fact some "fairly" (i used that term loosley) decent developments have taken place, ie SkyBouncer (two of them!), Aqua Karts (oh such a short life...good luck Alton) then thier was JCB World the amazing inflatable maze and now some little rocket themed kids ride in the middle of an Aztec themed zone... (okay fairly decent was not the right phrase) but hey, they have money to spend again!

Spare change anyone?
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VentureWorld was swallowed into THG Group in 2000, who have alot of money from various sources. They bought out VentureWorld and thus John Broome's debt was paid. So the debts that remain probably date back to about 1994 when the Log Flumes 3rd drop was added.

THG has enough money to pay for this, but I dont think it's willing to spend large ammounts of money until all it's debt's are repaid.
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I wouldn't be surprised if they're just not willing to spend money full stop :?

The park needs a fairly large cash injection to drag it out of the sewers before its name is lost in the world of larger, more reputable parks. Another problems is their lack of advertising, as most people outside of the immediate counties have no idea AA exists. I asked someone from just outside the region if he knew where it was, to which his reply was something along the lines of 'huh, where?'.

I guess it's a start for the park adding new 'attractions' (though who they're aiming to attract with no advertising I have no idea) and brushing up on their painting skills, which is, IMO, the most important thing at the moment. The general appearance needs a good once over, with first impressions being looked at - i.e. reworking the entrance.

I think the subsidence issue was mentioned earlier in the topic (or did I dream it :?), and as far as I know they've looked at the issue, though they couldn't do anything. Whether this decision was money related I've no idea, but from the debt-discussion previously mentioned, I should think it is.

Does anyone have an approximate figure of how much AA was purchased for? Britannia Park didn't do too much to the park, so I'm guessing the figure didn't run into millions!
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[quote=""Sarah-TTF""]I wouldn't be surprised if they're just not willing to spend money full stop :?

The park needs a fairly large cash injection to drag it out of the sewers before its name is lost in the world of larger, more reputable parks. Another problems is their lack of advertising, as most people outside of the immediate counties have no idea AA exists. I asked someone from just outside the region if he knew where it was, to which his reply was something along the lines of 'huh, where?'.

I guess it's a start for the park adding new 'attractions' (though who they're aiming to attract with no advertising I have no idea) and brushing up on their painting skills, which is, IMO, the most important thing at the moment. The general appearance needs a good once over, with first impressions being looked at - i.e. reworking the entrance.

I think the subsidence issue was mentioned earlier in the topic (or did I dream it :?), and as far as I know they've looked at the issue, though they couldn't do anything. Whether this decision was money related I've no idea, but from the debt-discussion previously mentioned, I should think it is.

Does anyone have an approximate figure of how much AA was purchased for? Britannia Park didn't do too much to the park, so I'm guessing the figure didn't run into millions![/quote]VentureWorld paid Granada £3m - but remmember, they dont own the land. I think that the ammount the lease was bought for was very small, Derbyshire County Council wanted a tourist attraction.

It's obviously not that bad up there, staff are walking up and down all the time. There have been people working around the old Mine Shaft recently, and random stuff up there has been repainted, methinks they want to reopen it.
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[quote=""hj1984""]But as anybody seen the parks debts?[/quote]

But do we know for certain that they have any great debts?? We are acting purely on speculation here, none of us have seen the accounts and let's face it, we can't really be certain.

What I do know is that Derbyshire County Council examine Venture World's accounts on a regular basis - at the end of the day they are the park's landlords and if the company doesn't pay the rent, or at least prove that they can't, DCC can terminate the lease. This came out in the planning submission for the holiday park. However, Derbyshire are asute enough to realise that to have the park close would cause the loss of jobs and decimate the county's tourism figures.
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You are right, nobody here has seen them.

The Council would do whatever suits them best, so I think the rule is more 'If you have the money then pay it, if not well, as and when'. Sorta idea.
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think the subsidence issue was mentioned earlier in the topic (or did I dream it ), and as far as I know they've looked at the issue, though they couldn't do anything. Whether this decision was money related I've no idea, but from the debt-discussion previously mentioned, I should think it is.
The subsidence issue is probably being thrashed out by the County Council (as land owners) and whatever the remains of British Coal is called this week. The park are probably involved, but not to a great degree. At the end of the day, they have probably tried to claim insurance for it, but I guess insurance may not pay out as the park knew full well what lies underneath, or not as the case may be! I think shoddy work by one of Britannia Park's contractors may also have been a factor, suprise suprise!
It's obviously not that bad up there, staff are walking up and down all the time. There have been people working around the old Mine Shaft recently, and random stuff up there has been repainted, methinks they want to reopen it.
Look at it this way, taking a long term view. You have an area that is costing you maintenance money to keep it in a decent enough condition, if the subsidence was really that bad you would make a one-off payment to demolish the lot and solve the problem that way. I think they do want to reopen it but are waiting for some work to be done, possibly out of season. Look at the park map, it is still the same as it was when the old entrance was there - if you had planned to never reopen the entrance you would have sorted the map out by now.... wouldn't you?

Then again, DCC may not want to demolish their asset and the park are stuck with it....
Does anyone have an approximate figure of how much AA was purchased for? Britannia Park didn't do too much to the park, so I'm guessing the figure didn't run into millions!
I think £8m was invested for the first season - I presume this included the purchase of the lease. The log flume, RMT and buffalo must have cost about £1m each, another £1-1.5m for smaller rides etc and perhaps £1m for building Silver City and the Alamo. That leaves around £2.5-3m for park purchase. Than again I could be wrong!
The park needs a fairly large cash injection to drag it out of the sewers before its name is lost in the world of larger, more reputable parks. Another problems is their lack of advertising, as most people outside of the immediate counties have no idea AA exists. I asked someone from just outside the region if he knew where it was, to which his reply was something along the lines of 'huh, where?'.
Agreed! The park are classed as a 'regional' park, meaning that the east midlands are the target audience. The parks days as a nationaly known park probably only lasted up to about 1990. It was no longer the 'next big thing', the bubble had burst - just as any new pub loses it's crowds after a year or so and a few new ones have opened. They could do with pusing the sphere of advertising further, South and West Yorkshire are well within reach with no park of their own - Flamingoland and Lightwater are further away than AA.

They could do with improving the park and creating accomodation for visitors from further afield.... DOH! :lol:
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VentureWorld was swallowed into THG Group in 2000, who have alot of money from various sources. They bought out VentureWorld and thus John Broome's debt was paid. So the debts that remain probably date back to about 1994 when the Log Flumes 3rd drop was added.

THG has enough money to pay for this, but I dont think it's willing to spend large ammounts of money until all it's debt's are repaid.
John Broome was only one of many investors in the original Venture World consortium. He allowed his name to be used as some sort of 'quality' benchmark and then became the scapegoat once things went wrong.

Trevor Hemmings was another of the investors, he is the man behind THG, owners of Leisure Parcs (Blackpool Tower/Piers/Winter Hardens etc), Pontins and a builder by trade. A very rich one at that... He bought out most (if not all) of the other investors but was reluctant to invest any more. Mr Hemmings is a careful businessman, he knows better than to throw money after a bad investment. I had heard that he passed the park on to his son, but I'm not sure if that is true or not.

I do wonder if the future of The American Adventure is in some way dependent on the schemes to build Casinos in Blackpool should gambling laws be reformed. A bit of me cynically thinks that all of AA's rides could well end up being used in some form in the park planned by Leisure Parcs, and the AA closed. But that is a bit far fetched :roll:
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[quote=""Emmaly""]

It's obviously not that bad up there, staff are walking up and down all the time. There have been people working around the old Mine Shaft recently, and random stuff up there has been repainted, methinks they want to reopen it.
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But there is a slight difference between having staff walk through it every now and again and having every park guest walk over it twice each day. (not to mention people hanging around and the merchandise in shops, etc.)

It all adds up to put quite a bit of stress on the area.
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Yea, and believe me, having been a member of staff and having walked that walk hundreds of times...its aint a very easy surface to walk over! No way, would a buggy or wheel chair make the journey easily.

But, around 2002 time just before i finished their, the park manager and some other suited people where hanging around the old main enterance with clip boards, etc, etc, pointing out a few things. If i remember right, the original plan was to relocate that actuall entrance building to the current site hence the tempary state of the current entrance, maybe this is still on the cards?
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[quote=""colin_p""]The subsidence issue is probably being thrashed out by the County Council (as land owners) and whatever the remains of British Coal is called this week.[/quote]
Right, so it is being dealt with then?
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Right, so it is being dealt with then?
Sorry, I was speculating - I believe it would be normal under these circumstances for the landowner to negotiate with the source of the problem - in this case the former colliery operators.

Also, I would imagine that it isn't the pit shaft that lies underneath the old entrance, just subsidence into the workings below. The shaft of course is under where the winding house is....
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If i remember right, the original plan was to relocate that actuall entrance building to the current site hence the tempary state of the current entrance, maybe this is still on the cards?
Interesting! But surely it would be easier and cheaper to build from scratch?! I would also imagine that it would be impossible to build a canopy right across the current entrance as it appears to also be a vehicle entrance when the park is closed, there is a wide enough gap between the cabins to let a lorry through.

Personally, if I had to keep that entrance I'd be for using portacabins with suitable cladding, done effectively, with pitched roofs etc they can look very effective. Better than the 'British Rail ticket collector hut c.1984' look they have at the moment :lol:
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As I remmember the park had both entrances open at some point, hang on, http://www.themeltdown.net/tp/aa/1998map.jpg, there was at least one season when the both coexisted.

The whole park is uneven - terrible for push chairs and wheelchairs.
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As I remmember the park had both entrances open at some point, hang on, http://www.themeltdown.net/tp/aa/1998map.jpg, there was at least one season when the both coexisted.
They did - but the 'Group Entrance' was very hit and miss, there was very little up there even then. I used to go on the service bus which dropped off at the old entrance, but you were still asked to walk around the hill to the 'main' entrance, but they would let you out at that end when you wanted to leave - very odd!

PS, that was probably the low-point in AA maps, somewhere on the net the guy from Chesterfield who drew it moans about not geting free admission!
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[quote=""colin_p""]
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As I remmember the park had both entrances open at some point, hang on, http://www.themeltdown.net/tp/aa/1998map.jpg , there was at least one season when the both coexisted.
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They did - but the 'Group Entrance' was very hit and miss, there was very little up there even then. I used to go on the service bus which dropped off at the old entrance, but you were still asked to walk around the hill to the 'main' entrance, but they would let you out at that end when you wanted to leave - very odd!

PS, that was probably the low-point in AA maps, somewhere on the net the guy from Chesterfield who drew it moans about not geting free admission!
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It's fairly accurate though, odd how he chose red for the Twin Loooper... maybe one of those VentureWorld things that never happened!
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The American Adventure has been going down hill for years, this is my third season working at the park and i have seen a decrease in guests. they need new rides and a good lick of paint everywhere. :(
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