In all seriousness, I think LWV could do with another major coaster. The retheme of the Rat raised its status a little, but they've only really got the Ultimate as a 'big' coaster.
The problem is finding something that is a good ride and a marketable one at a decent price. The awful Vekoma Whirlwind was not that ride. It's possible some sort of Schwarzkopf could work, but for a park as small as lightwater any new coaster is something of a gamble, and they can't afford it not to pay off.
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Just wait till Camelot go under John... they could do wonders if they acquire Knightmare and Whirlwind 
Also, they don't do shows either do they? Correct me if im wrong, just never seen any.
Also, they don't do shows either do they? Correct me if im wrong, just never seen any.
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They apparently have a magic show in the fairground area near the entrance, I've never noticed it advertised whilst in the park though.
I'd love to see Knightmare find a more permanent home, if LWV got it they'd have my UK #2 and #4 coasters which for such a small park would be pretty spectacular. Whirlwind I'm not so sure about, it would have to be done up as it's in an appalling state. It's also maybe a little too similar to Twister from a marketing point of view, as I said earlier, any new coaster they get has to prove itself by bringing in the guests and replacing one spinning coaster with another probably wouldn't do that.
I'd love to see Knightmare find a more permanent home, if LWV got it they'd have my UK #2 and #4 coasters which for such a small park would be pretty spectacular. Whirlwind I'm not so sure about, it would have to be done up as it's in an appalling state. It's also maybe a little too similar to Twister from a marketing point of view, as I said earlier, any new coaster they get has to prove itself by bringing in the guests and replacing one spinning coaster with another probably wouldn't do that.
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Beaten to it. Knightmare would be perfect for LWV. And hopefully, they might even be able to build a new mountain for it! [-o<
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[quote=""BrettS""]Just wait till Camelot go under John... they could do wonders if they acquire Knightmare and Whirlwind
Also, they don't do shows either do they? Correct me if im wrong, just never seen any.[/quote]
Hopefully Camelot won't go bust! I doubt LWV would get planning permission to install Knightmare, but maybe Whirlwind which would be perfect for them.
They do have a show, they have a Falconry show. Not sure if it will be running next season though, I heard rumours it was going...
Also, they don't do shows either do they? Correct me if im wrong, just never seen any.[/quote]
Hopefully Camelot won't go bust! I doubt LWV would get planning permission to install Knightmare, but maybe Whirlwind which would be perfect for them.
They do have a show, they have a Falconry show. Not sure if it will be running next season though, I heard rumours it was going...
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I wouldn't be surprised if the park ended up with an old Schwarzkopf, however I'm not sure how beneficial it would be for the park. They generally show their age and the usual rectangular footprint betrays their travelling ability that has been seen on too many of LWV's rides. They're good rides though and would definitely be a better choice than the Vekoma.
This rumour is very interesting, although I haven't heard anything else about it at all. I can't help but think Knightmare at LWV would be immense with a new paint job - a definite crowd pleaser. I don't hold any hope for this at all though, and there's not any proof that Knightmare's leaving Camelot, although the park's been said to be struggling for years.
If I could have my way, it'd be a GCI a la Troy or a Megalite. Wishful thinking though.
Edit: Ha nice thoughts BrettS! I can't see either of those making it to LWV though.
Edit again - I can't post in time! Diogo guesses it too!
This rumour is very interesting, although I haven't heard anything else about it at all. I can't help but think Knightmare at LWV would be immense with a new paint job - a definite crowd pleaser. I don't hold any hope for this at all though, and there's not any proof that Knightmare's leaving Camelot, although the park's been said to be struggling for years.
If I could have my way, it'd be a GCI a la Troy or a Megalite. Wishful thinking though.
Edit: Ha nice thoughts BrettS! I can't see either of those making it to LWV though.
Edit again - I can't post in time! Diogo guesses it too!
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Although we already have 3 eurofighters in the uk something on the scale of Rage at southend would be a good ride for lightwater, however even a new small eurofighter would most likly be out of lightwaters current budget (you would be looking at £2.5-£3m)
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I hope Camelot goes bust, would be a perfect opportunity for LWV to grab Knightmare, take away knightmare from camelot and it'd be a pointless park and i wouldn't visit.
Having Knightmare at LWV is just more convenient :P
Having Knightmare at LWV is just more convenient :P
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You actively want a UK theme park to go bust...? Why would you want that...? Camelot is a charming park with two top class coasters, a unique diesel coaster and some decent theming.
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Camelot is on borrowed time, they're waiting for permission to develop the land and are only running the park to bring in some money in the meantime. I used to love the park, but it's a shadow of its former self.
I'm not sure, but I think Knightmare may only be rented, so it's possible it could be removed (I have no idea if there's any truth to the rumours that it's been sold though). Suffice to say that if it goes the park is left with an extremely poor ride line up, with its major attractions consisting of a beat-up MS Spinner, a beat-up Fabbri Evolution and an ancient diesel coaster.
I'm not sure, but I think Knightmare may only be rented, so it's possible it could be removed (I have no idea if there's any truth to the rumours that it's been sold though). Suffice to say that if it goes the park is left with an extremely poor ride line up, with its major attractions consisting of a beat-up MS Spinner, a beat-up Fabbri Evolution and an ancient diesel coaster.
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I certainly don't want Camelot to go bust. But if they do, it would be criminal for LWV not to save Knightmare.
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[quote=""DiogoJ42""]I certainly don't want Camelot to go bust. But if they do, it would be criminal for LWV to to save Knightmare.[/quote]
Do you mean, it would be criminal for LWV NOT to save Knightmare?
But I agree, it'd probably be reasonably priced not to mention a great coaster. Highest g-force in the UK! Crazy. Then LWV would have the two most intense coasters in the country! :P
Also, I'm curious as to whether it'll actually be sold this time, or whether those that own it will lease it to the next park like they did with Camelot. I imagine such an arrangement would suit LWV, as they can work towards purchasing it with the increased revenue they'd get from having it in the park for a relatively small initial outlay, much as they have done with Whirlwind (albeit different models).
Do you mean, it would be criminal for LWV NOT to save Knightmare?
But I agree, it'd probably be reasonably priced not to mention a great coaster. Highest g-force in the UK! Crazy. Then LWV would have the two most intense coasters in the country! :P
Also, I'm curious as to whether it'll actually be sold this time, or whether those that own it will lease it to the next park like they did with Camelot. I imagine such an arrangement would suit LWV, as they can work towards purchasing it with the increased revenue they'd get from having it in the park for a relatively small initial outlay, much as they have done with Whirlwind (albeit different models).
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[quote=""Sam""]
You actively want a UK theme park to go bust...? Why would you want that...? Camelot is a charming park with two top class coasters, a unique diesel coaster and some decent theming.[/quote]
Yep... It's because the park is so poor. Get rid, put knightmare in LWV, cheaper entrance tickets and only have to visit one park. Two top class coasters? 8-[
Unique diesel coaster maybe, but not really that great is it. Decent theming? It's not what i'd call decent, personally.. where are you talking of?
You actively want a UK theme park to go bust...? Why would you want that...? Camelot is a charming park with two top class coasters, a unique diesel coaster and some decent theming.
[/quote]Yep... It's because the park is so poor. Get rid, put knightmare in LWV, cheaper entrance tickets and only have to visit one park. Two top class coasters? 8-[
Unique diesel coaster maybe, but not really that great is it. Decent theming? It's not what i'd call decent, personally.. where are you talking of?
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[quote=""BrettS""][quote=""Sam""]
You actively want a UK theme park to go bust...? Why would you want that...? Camelot is a charming park with two top class coasters, a unique diesel coaster and some decent theming.[/quote]
Yep... It's because the park is so poor. Get rid, put knightmare in LWV, cheaper entrance tickets and only have to visit one park. Two top class coasters? 8-[
Unique diesel coaster maybe, but not really that great is it. Decent theming? It's not what i'd call decent, personally.. where are you talking of?[/quote]
"only have to visit one park", you make it sound like it's a chore. Smaller parks going bust won't help the rest of the UK's smaller parks, only a Merlin breakup would do that.
Err... have you seen Camelot's theming? They have the best entrance in the UK, by far:
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You actively want a UK theme park to go bust...? Why would you want that...? Camelot is a charming park with two top class coasters, a unique diesel coaster and some decent theming.
[/quote]Yep... It's because the park is so poor. Get rid, put knightmare in LWV, cheaper entrance tickets and only have to visit one park. Two top class coasters? 8-[
Unique diesel coaster maybe, but not really that great is it. Decent theming? It's not what i'd call decent, personally.. where are you talking of?[/quote]
"only have to visit one park", you make it sound like it's a chore. Smaller parks going bust won't help the rest of the UK's smaller parks, only a Merlin breakup would do that.
Err... have you seen Camelot's theming? They have the best entrance in the UK, by far:
Construction update from ValleyMania:
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Knightmare will never come to LWV, or any other Schwarzkopf; they're just too power hungry for a park largely run on generators.
My gut feeling is that the park will possibly end up with the Boomerang from Pleasure Island or Pleasurewood Hills, in part exchange for the Twister, which would probably be a mutually beneficial deal all round. Remember also this is quite a crucial year for LWV; ten years (at least) of underinvestment, and then two of returning the status quo means that the park really need to see a return on their investment this year, otherwise they will return to their keeping afloat strategy, meaning any significant new rides will be a couple of decades old, or borrowed and plonked from the fair circuit.
That said, if there is ever going to be a year to shine, it's this one, as most of their peers haven't even bothered to get out of bed for the new season...
Oh and Camelot? Camelot is just Spanish City for a new generation; it won't suddenly die, more gradually disappear from existence, over the next 5-6 years. I believe Knightmare was already sold anyway, but the deal fell through.
My gut feeling is that the park will possibly end up with the Boomerang from Pleasure Island or Pleasurewood Hills, in part exchange for the Twister, which would probably be a mutually beneficial deal all round. Remember also this is quite a crucial year for LWV; ten years (at least) of underinvestment, and then two of returning the status quo means that the park really need to see a return on their investment this year, otherwise they will return to their keeping afloat strategy, meaning any significant new rides will be a couple of decades old, or borrowed and plonked from the fair circuit.
That said, if there is ever going to be a year to shine, it's this one, as most of their peers haven't even bothered to get out of bed for the new season...
Oh and Camelot? Camelot is just Spanish City for a new generation; it won't suddenly die, more gradually disappear from existence, over the next 5-6 years. I believe Knightmare was already sold anyway, but the deal fell through.
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[quote=""Sam""][quote=""BrettS""][quote=""Sam""]
You actively want a UK theme park to go bust...? Why would you want that...? Camelot is a charming park with two top class coasters, a unique diesel coaster and some decent theming.[/quote]
Yep... It's because the park is so poor. Get rid, put knightmare in LWV, cheaper entrance tickets and only have to visit one park. Two top class coasters? 8-[
Unique diesel coaster maybe, but not really that great is it. Decent theming? It's not what i'd call decent, personally.. where are you talking of?[/quote]
"only have to visit one park", you make it sound like it's a chore. Smaller parks going bust won't help the rest of the UK's smaller parks, only a Merlin breakup would do that.
Err... have you seen Camelot's theming? They have the best entrance in the UK, by far:
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You're miss interpenetrating internet text, for me personally. I only got to camelot for knightmare. So only having to visit one park for this on an all around, is easier and cheaper.
Merlin are fine as they are, they're not dominate at all. A break up wouldn't help anything, just hurt us more as attractions from the MAP drop out.
So whats this other decent coaster then? which you didn't answer above. I also mentioned about the diesel coaster which you haven't mentioned in your last reply.
As for the theming, hardly decent or impressive. I'm not too bothered about the entrance, I don't tend to want to hang around that for too long; not that it's decent anyway
For me personally, losing camelot wouldn't be a great loss as long as knightmare stayed in the UK, pref LWV.
You actively want a UK theme park to go bust...? Why would you want that...? Camelot is a charming park with two top class coasters, a unique diesel coaster and some decent theming.
[/quote]Yep... It's because the park is so poor. Get rid, put knightmare in LWV, cheaper entrance tickets and only have to visit one park. Two top class coasters? 8-[
Unique diesel coaster maybe, but not really that great is it. Decent theming? It's not what i'd call decent, personally.. where are you talking of?[/quote]
"only have to visit one park", you make it sound like it's a chore. Smaller parks going bust won't help the rest of the UK's smaller parks, only a Merlin breakup would do that.
Err... have you seen Camelot's theming? They have the best entrance in the UK, by far:
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You're miss interpenetrating internet text, for me personally. I only got to camelot for knightmare. So only having to visit one park for this on an all around, is easier and cheaper.
Merlin are fine as they are, they're not dominate at all. A break up wouldn't help anything, just hurt us more as attractions from the MAP drop out.
So whats this other decent coaster then? which you didn't answer above. I also mentioned about the diesel coaster which you haven't mentioned in your last reply.
As for the theming, hardly decent or impressive. I'm not too bothered about the entrance, I don't tend to want to hang around that for too long; not that it's decent anyway
For me personally, losing camelot wouldn't be a great loss as long as knightmare stayed in the UK, pref LWV.
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[quote=""BrettS""]You're miss interpenetrating internet text, for me personally.[/quote]
How do you "interpenetrate" internet text? Sounds very kinky to me!
Also their other great coaster is Whirlwind, which beats Spinball for me and is on a par with Dragon's Fury.
How do you "interpenetrate" internet text? Sounds very kinky to me!
Also their other great coaster is Whirlwind, which beats Spinball for me and is on a par with Dragon's Fury.
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Whirlwind is OK, but I wouldn't say it was better than Spinball.
Camelot's entrance looks nice enough in the pictures, but in the flesh, it's really dirty and worn. From my experience, it's a horrible park. It could have been nice, but sadly, it's a bit of a dump with rubbish rides. The only worthwhile attractions are Knightmare, Whirlwind and that diesel powered thing. It would be sad for it to close, especially because it's not too far away from me, but if it meant that the beast that is Knightmare was freed up for a better park.
And a Merlin breakup is not the only way for small parks to grow, these small parks need to start taking risks again. A Merlin breakup may not even benefit them.
Camelot's entrance looks nice enough in the pictures, but in the flesh, it's really dirty and worn. From my experience, it's a horrible park. It could have been nice, but sadly, it's a bit of a dump with rubbish rides. The only worthwhile attractions are Knightmare, Whirlwind and that diesel powered thing. It would be sad for it to close, especially because it's not too far away from me, but if it meant that the beast that is Knightmare was freed up for a better park.
And a Merlin breakup is not the only way for small parks to grow, these small parks need to start taking risks again. A Merlin breakup may not even benefit them.