NO SPOILERS - 2012: Nemesis Sub-Terra... Part 2

nemesismad · Mon Jan 30, 2012 3:32 pm

The way I described is a rough explanation of what Iam pretty certain will happen, clearence is allways a with rides to prevent rider's catching arms and legs ect, iam sure the designers will have sorted all this out.

Mon Jan 30, 2012 3:37 pm

The clearance required for top-loading is a piece of #### to engineer

I don't see how people are viewing it as something so hard to do?

Poison Tom 96 · Mon Jan 30, 2012 6:38 pm

im going to sound stupid but reading through all the pages aint appealing.

Who says it loads at ze top?

Thanks

Mon Jan 30, 2012 6:57 pm

Poison Tom 96 wrote: im going to sound stupid but reading through all the pages aint appealing.

Who says it loads at ze top?

Thanks

Put it this way, other than the evac stairs there is no other way to get to the bottom of the pit to get on...

Mon Jan 30, 2012 6:57 pm

Poison Tom 96 wrote: im going to sound stupid but reading through all the pages aint appealing.

Who says it loads at ze top?

Thanks

Quite a few of us. From using a bit of common sense and intelligence.

Just look at the photos of the floor of the ride. There is simply nowhere to load a ride. The ride cars will be right up to the centre of the room which is where the "show" is. So this can only suggest loading will happen at the top

Mon Jan 30, 2012 7:16 pm

demz_4 wrote: heres the clearance difference.. have they built in another wall ?

I just realised in the pictures the material on the floor is positioned the same in both photos and shows that this is not the same side and is infact on the opposite wall.

This also indicates there is actually two access doors to the bottom of the pit, I havn't looked at the plans yet to see if this makes sense but I outlined what I am talking about in the photos below:

NST by Cowley92, on Flickr

djtruefitt · Mon Jan 30, 2012 7:23 pm

This ride does just get more and more confusing the more we look at it.

Looking at them photos above it does seem like there are doors at either side of the room. So they could both be evacuation stairs, or the way in and out.

Does anyone have the plans to hand and what do they show?

Mon Jan 30, 2012 7:26 pm

I didn't think that there were two access doors to the bottom of the pit either, if i remember from the plans though the control room is above the second doorway, so i assume this is access to there and for staff to reach the bottom of the pit in an emergency without having to go around the fire exit stairs?

Big Dave · Mon Jan 30, 2012 7:29 pm

There isnt, but there is an access door and a control cabin/storeroom. Maybe the cabin is on the top floor, with the storeroom below.

Mon Jan 30, 2012 7:30 pm

One of the 'doors' leads to evacuation stairs and the other is a control room as shown on the plans

Big Dave · Mon Jan 30, 2012 7:32 pm

When I first looked, I did think that is was the other wall as the floor didnt look right either, but chose not to say anything as I thought I was wrong lol

djtruefitt · Mon Jan 30, 2012 7:35 pm

I have just looked at the plans and you are right that the control room is opposite the fire exit, but could this mean the control room is on the lower floor and not top floor, or that there is another set of stairs that isnt shown on the planning document?

Mon Jan 30, 2012 7:41 pm

The only issue with having the control room on the basement level is the only exit for the ride op is via the evacuation stairs, but you are right there doesn't appear to be another set of stairs in those plans

Big Dave wrote: There isnt, but there is an access door and a control cabin/storeroom. Maybe the cabin is on the top floor, with the storeroom below.

This would make most sense with there being no other stairs visible on the plans

Dormiens-Dave · Mon Jan 30, 2012 7:48 pm

Its possible planners demanded a second evac stair at the opposite side of the pit for fire safety. It is unusual to only have one escape route from a space.

Mon Jan 30, 2012 7:54 pm

If it is a storeroom, is this where the generator etc. could be located for the ride?

Mon Jan 30, 2012 8:10 pm

The ride doesn't need a generator...

All rides at Alton Towers run off mains electricity. (well, nearly all the time anyway)

Mon Jan 30, 2012 8:17 pm

thats a good spot! tbh i would imagine that there is a room under the ops cabin for the electrics room (i imagine like how rita's in directly under the cabin), obviously i doubt there would be an excessive amount of electronics in comparison to other rides, but to have it all in a locked space sounds a decent bet.

Mon Jan 30, 2012 8:32 pm

This also raises the question again; what is the extra space for behind the tower in the first pic? assuming it hasn't been filled in or anything

Mon Jan 30, 2012 10:25 pm

oh well spotted, that blows my explanation out the water
if i had to guess however it is below the contol room probably for ride audio/control computers and the like. it wont be the entry/exit points because they ar definatley dual door entrance/exits like hex, as shown in the plans. and as the other corners don't have any access points i'm taking that as read, they are at ground level

Mon Jan 30, 2012 10:38 pm

I spotted that they were two different corners a while ago but forgot to post it at the time. Here's how I spotted it as it could raises an interesting question:

If you look at the base of the door frame you'll notice that the one we are assuming is the evacuation stairs has a square beneath it with a very thin connection to the main room. However on the side of the assumed control room there is no square and the thin piece of raised concrete goes all the way to the door. Quite why these are different I am not sure. You'd have thought each side would be symmetrical.