2010: Secret Weapon 6 Part One
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Trixz
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Have you seen this vekoma sit down/ suspend design
it also says will be incorporated in 2010 projects
[url=http://www.vekoma.com/index.php?option= ... 4&Itemid=1" target="_blank]http://www.vekoma.com/index.php?option= ... 4&Itemid=1[/url]
PS: Im sorry if someone has already brought this up but i just could not be assed reading through 110 pages
it also says will be incorporated in 2010 projects
[url=http://www.vekoma.com/index.php?option= ... 4&Itemid=1" target="_blank]http://www.vekoma.com/index.php?option= ... 4&Itemid=1[/url]
PS: Im sorry if someone has already brought this up but i just could not be assed reading through 110 pages
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Chris W
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The expo is closed so there was no B&M announcement, guess we will all have to wait a little longer until Alton Towers make a statement or until planning/construction begins which won't be until next year.
Its going to be another interesting few months of speculation ahead.
Its going to be another interesting few months of speculation ahead.
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Sam
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[quote=""Disco Ball""]The expo is closed so there was no B&M announcement, guess we will all have to wait a little longer until Alton Towers make a statement or until planning/construction begins which won't be until next year.
Its going to be another interesting few months of speculation ahead.[/quote]
Oh bugger.
[quote=""Satch""]
b) so anyone other than B&M arent world class?[/quote]
World class rides aren't always B&M's but B&M's are always world class rides.
Its going to be another interesting few months of speculation ahead.[/quote]
Oh bugger.
[quote=""Satch""]
a) we DO have rides that are truly world class to brag aboutwouldnt it be worth it to have a truly world class worlds first coaster to brag about
b) so anyone other than B&M arent world class?[/quote]
World class rides aren't always B&M's but B&M's are always world class rides.
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jonathan leake
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You should sell that saying to B&M as their markting slogen.
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Satch
World class rides aren't always B&M's but B&M's are always world class rides.[/quote][quote=""Satch""]a) we DO have rides that are truly world class to brag aboutwouldnt it be worth it to have a truly world class worlds first coaster to brag about
b) so anyone other than B&M arent world class?
Slight over generalisation. Inferno isnt known for being World Class. and you missed my point... we alredy have truly world class rides to brag about, and I think over companies should be given a chance to prove themselves...
As for no announcement from B+M - what are you expecting? If they are developing the new concept coaster to be unveiled at Alton Towers 2010, then they are hardly going to announce it there instead and screw Towers over, are they? And if B+M did announce their new ride, then it wouldnt be what we are seeing at Towers either, in the same logic
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haydn!
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B&M very often create great rides, but they're not always the best experiences. They're concepts are normally whats so good, flying, vertical etc but the coasters themselves are not always better than something from other developers.
Take rides like Expedition Everest, Kingda Ka, Space Mountain - all world class attractions. Because you can ride practically any coaster anywhere now, it's no longer about just the ride. It's about the overall experience.
Some of the biggest and best rollercoaster rides of the last few years have been very basic technology but amazing things have been done with it. Like Everest, Mystery Mine and potentially even SAW. Nemesis Inferno probably falls under this catergory too, as apart from its impressive theming you can ride the same ride in a dozen parks all over the world.
We don't need B&M to create a world class ride, we just need a world class experience from whatever ride they do choose.
Take rides like Expedition Everest, Kingda Ka, Space Mountain - all world class attractions. Because you can ride practically any coaster anywhere now, it's no longer about just the ride. It's about the overall experience.
Some of the biggest and best rollercoaster rides of the last few years have been very basic technology but amazing things have been done with it. Like Everest, Mystery Mine and potentially even SAW. Nemesis Inferno probably falls under this catergory too, as apart from its impressive theming you can ride the same ride in a dozen parks all over the world.
We don't need B&M to create a world class ride, we just need a world class experience from whatever ride they do choose.
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I'm hoping it is a B&M prototype yet I have no idea what protoype it could be. Personally, I think the park is missing a woodie but I doubt that because it's already been anounced to be a world's first.
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Thought this was interesting on the Vekoma website about those trains
Both train types are available up to 32 passengers per train (8 coaches 4 passengers per coach) The renderings below show a preview of the trains to be installed on new projects coming in 2010!
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Trixz
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That's what i noticed as well it may just be coincidence but i guess time will tell.
To me personally, B&M and Intamin are pretty much the same ride experience wise. I mean they've made exceptionally amazing rides and people keep using Expedition Everest to back Vekoma up. But that's just it, Vekoma hasn't produced countless number of BRILLIANT rides.
I'm not taking anything away from Vekoma they've made countless GOOD rides but not BRILLIANT. I think most people would prefer to see a B&M prototype whatever it be rather than a Vekoma mine train. On the other hand though if one of the new Vekoma train/track designs are used then I will be satisfied, but if we end up with a mine train im going to cry. I want something that's at least gonna make me go ARGH at least once and Expedition Everest did not do that.
Please don't jump on my back Vekoma bum boys its just my opinion.
To me personally, B&M and Intamin are pretty much the same ride experience wise. I mean they've made exceptionally amazing rides and people keep using Expedition Everest to back Vekoma up. But that's just it, Vekoma hasn't produced countless number of BRILLIANT rides.
I'm not taking anything away from Vekoma they've made countless GOOD rides but not BRILLIANT. I think most people would prefer to see a B&M prototype whatever it be rather than a Vekoma mine train. On the other hand though if one of the new Vekoma train/track designs are used then I will be satisfied, but if we end up with a mine train im going to cry. I want something that's at least gonna make me go ARGH at least once and Expedition Everest did not do that.
Please don't jump on my back Vekoma bum boys its just my opinion.
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haydn!
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[quote=""Trixz""]That's what i noticed as well it may just be coincidence but i guess time will tell.
To me personally, B&M and Intamin are pretty much the same ride experience wise. I mean they've made exceptionally amazing rides and people keep using Expedition Everest to back Vekoma up. But that's just it, Vekoma hasn't produced countless number of BRILLIANT rides.
I'm not taking anything away from Vekoma they've made countless GOOD rides but not BRILLIANT. I think most people would prefer to see a B&M prototype whatever it be rather than a Vekoma mine train. On the other hand though if one of the new Vekoma train/track designs are used then I will be satisfied, but if we end up with a mine train im going to cry. I want something that's at least gonna make me go ARGH at least once and Expedition Everest did not do that.
Please don't jump on my back Vekoma bum boys its just my opinion.[/quote]
I'd have to disagree. Most people don't know who makes what in theme parks, and most people don't care. The general public, and Alton Towers will simply want a ride that exceeds expectations. With the right imagination, the decent budget and a good location they can get this from practically any manufacturer.
I'm not saying B&M don't create great rides though. Nemesis, Air, Oblivion and Dueling Dragons are proof of this, it's just Alton Towers could probably do a lot more with someone like Vekoma or Intamin.
To me personally, B&M and Intamin are pretty much the same ride experience wise. I mean they've made exceptionally amazing rides and people keep using Expedition Everest to back Vekoma up. But that's just it, Vekoma hasn't produced countless number of BRILLIANT rides.
I'm not taking anything away from Vekoma they've made countless GOOD rides but not BRILLIANT. I think most people would prefer to see a B&M prototype whatever it be rather than a Vekoma mine train. On the other hand though if one of the new Vekoma train/track designs are used then I will be satisfied, but if we end up with a mine train im going to cry. I want something that's at least gonna make me go ARGH at least once and Expedition Everest did not do that.
Please don't jump on my back Vekoma bum boys its just my opinion.[/quote]
I'd have to disagree. Most people don't know who makes what in theme parks, and most people don't care. The general public, and Alton Towers will simply want a ride that exceeds expectations. With the right imagination, the decent budget and a good location they can get this from practically any manufacturer.
I'm not saying B&M don't create great rides though. Nemesis, Air, Oblivion and Dueling Dragons are proof of this, it's just Alton Towers could probably do a lot more with someone like Vekoma or Intamin.
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Craig
Very well said haydn. It's all too easy to jump onto the so called "fan boy" bandwagon of B&M. They have indeed made some excellent coasters, but thinking about them all, how many add up to truly immersive experiences?
I'm also not denying they've made some excellent rides, but they come at a huge price premium against other manufacturers. Considering how the likes of Vekoma and Intamin have come on in leaps and bounds in recent years, it's becoming harder and harder to justify paying such a premium too.
I'm also not denying they've made some excellent rides, but they come at a huge price premium against other manufacturers. Considering how the likes of Vekoma and Intamin have come on in leaps and bounds in recent years, it's becoming harder and harder to justify paying such a premium too.
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Chris W
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B&M, Vekoma, Intamin only make the rides, its up to the park what gets done in terms of theming.
Its not as if Vekoma decided to build a rollercoaster through Mount Everest, that was Disney's idea, Vekoma was just the person who built the track.
Air has little theming because the park decided not to have the additional theming.
Its the parks fault if the ride isn't a good experience not the manufacturer.
Vekoma's are much better value for money than B&M's and Intamin so often the smaller parks buy more Vekoma's (eg. Flamingo Land). Because they have a smaller budget the ride experiences aren't usually as great.
Big Thunder Mountain is made by Vekoma and thats a brilliant ride.
I couldn't care less who the manufacturer is come March 2010 as long as SW6 is an amazing experience and puts Alton Towers back on the map.
Its not as if Vekoma decided to build a rollercoaster through Mount Everest, that was Disney's idea, Vekoma was just the person who built the track.
Air has little theming because the park decided not to have the additional theming.
Its the parks fault if the ride isn't a good experience not the manufacturer.
Vekoma's are much better value for money than B&M's and Intamin so often the smaller parks buy more Vekoma's (eg. Flamingo Land). Because they have a smaller budget the ride experiences aren't usually as great.
Big Thunder Mountain is made by Vekoma and thats a brilliant ride.
I couldn't care less who the manufacturer is come March 2010 as long as SW6 is an amazing experience and puts Alton Towers back on the map.
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Big Dave
To be fair if Alton go down the B&M coaster yet again, it will just detract from the current B&Ms. Yo can have too much of a good thing, so stick with the B&Ms they have currently got and add something else special by another manufacture. How can other manufactures show off what they can do if everyone goes with the same one just because they have done good things in the past?
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Exactly! It's what the park does with the ride, not who makes it that counts.
Air ended up like it did, with cut back themeing and landscaping because the money ran out. Not suprising with its £12million price tag. Like Craig said, B&M come with a premium price tag and if choose to pay more here, you need to spend less somewhere else.
This forum is crying out all the time for Alton Towers to build a fully immersive rollercoaster attraction that can be compared with some of the attractions seen abroad. If Alton Towers worked with a manufacturer like Vekoma or Intamin there would be a lot more cash left in the pot for landscaping and scenery - meaning they could not only meet expectations, but potentially exceed them a whole lot easier.
Air ended up like it did, with cut back themeing and landscaping because the money ran out. Not suprising with its £12million price tag. Like Craig said, B&M come with a premium price tag and if choose to pay more here, you need to spend less somewhere else.
This forum is crying out all the time for Alton Towers to build a fully immersive rollercoaster attraction that can be compared with some of the attractions seen abroad. If Alton Towers worked with a manufacturer like Vekoma or Intamin there would be a lot more cash left in the pot for landscaping and scenery - meaning they could not only meet expectations, but potentially exceed them a whole lot easier.
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Craig
My feeling is that B&M seem to have stagnated recently anyway, kind of resting on their laurels almost in terms of innovation.
The likes of Vekoma and Intamin have been upping their game massively in recent years, whilst smaller companies such as Gerstlauer and S+S seem to be hot on their heels too.
The likes of Vekoma and Intamin have been upping their game massively in recent years, whilst smaller companies such as Gerstlauer and S+S seem to be hot on their heels too.
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Big Dave
Dont get me wrong B&M are the dogs testicles, but there is a time when even I just think "Wait! I want something different!" Thats why I loved Corkscrew. I love the track design with its spine like structure. I love the masses of airtime it gave. B&M can often be too smooth and lack the feeling of being out of control. Even our lovely Nemesis can feel a bit too smooth which detracts from the experience.