As for those complaining about the possibility of Nemesis : What Lies Beneath possibly not opening on the first day of the season, think yourself lucky it probably won't be constantly delayed like the new slides at Sandcastle Waterpark this way.
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Adam James
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I think that simply the park re-opening after a long closed season would be enough emphasis for people to go to the park - the opening of a major new attraction could act as a major boost part-way through a season really.
As for those complaining about the possibility of Nemesis : What Lies Beneath possibly not opening on the first day of the season, think yourself lucky it probably won't be constantly delayed like the new slides at Sandcastle Waterpark this way.
As for those complaining about the possibility of Nemesis : What Lies Beneath possibly not opening on the first day of the season, think yourself lucky it probably won't be constantly delayed like the new slides at Sandcastle Waterpark this way.
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I'm no expert on construction but I can't see this being a difficult build. The groundworks/excavation will likely be the longest/most difficult part of the project. The structure itself is surely steel - which goes up very quickly. The ride mechanism, I would have thought, will be pretty much self contained and could be a case of it turning up on a lorry, lowered into place, bolted onto the main structure and plumbed in to the electrics.
Even with the weather likely turning worse, 6 months to complete this seems like enough time to me.
And as for starting late in the season: This will likely put visitor numbers down in the early part of the season as people may hold off their trip until the new attraction is released.
What's this talk of something else for 2012? I'm intrigued!
Even with the weather likely turning worse, 6 months to complete this seems like enough time to me.
And as for starting late in the season: This will likely put visitor numbers down in the early part of the season as people may hold off their trip until the new attraction is released.
What's this talk of something else for 2012? I'm intrigued!
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But your forgetting about: Testing, Theming, Sound & Lighting (If any).I'm no expert on construction but I can't see this being a difficult build. The groundworks/excavation will likely be the longest/most difficult part of the project. The structure itself is surely steel - which goes up very quickly. The ride mechanism, I would have thought, will be pretty much self contained and could be a case of it turning up on a lorry, lowered into place, bolted onto the main structure and plumbed in to the electrics.
Even with the weather likely turning worse, 6 months to complete this seems like enough time to me.
And as for starting late in the season: This will likely put visitor numbers down in the early part of the season as people may hold off their trip until the new attraction is released.
All of which have to be put into consideration.
Even with that in mind I do not think this will be a long build. I just hope for dear life that it stands by nemesis, and does not rely on nemesis as its story.
One thing I would really like to know is the ride duration, four towers with lets say 20 ish seats on a three minute cycle would be a relative throughput of 1,600 people per hour. Which is quite good. But a 20 seater tower seems a bit of a squeeze.
Can anybody verify details on the prototype?
Do you think this will be another family-oriented attraction like TH13TEEN, or do you think it could be a scarier more sinister ride still suitable for families but more like duel. Or do you think it will be a thrill-drop-tower (doubt it). Whats your opinions?
Something Special @ Alton Towers - coming 2013
WILL IT BE WHAT WARDLEY WANTED?
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check this out from ABC rides, their interactive indoor drop tower (NEMESIS WHAT LIES BENEATH ?)
check this out from ABC rides, their interactive indoor drop tower (NEMESIS WHAT LIES BENEATH ?)
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OK, so wait a minute (been away from the forum for about a week).
Where has this rumour about the ride not opening for launch day come from?
I think this would be a dreadful mistake and a massive let down (as there was nothing that special about 2011). If they wait til later in the season it will only cause increased demand for the new ride as it'a already busy in June plus the extras coming to see what the new ride is about. It should open as close to opening day as possible and really should be there from day 1.
On the other hand perhaps Merlin are looking at this from a company perspective - even a Nemesis themed attraction could struggle against The Swarm where they want all the attention for 2012...
Where has this rumour about the ride not opening for launch day come from?
I think this would be a dreadful mistake and a massive let down (as there was nothing that special about 2011). If they wait til later in the season it will only cause increased demand for the new ride as it'a already busy in June plus the extras coming to see what the new ride is about. It should open as close to opening day as possible and really should be there from day 1.
On the other hand perhaps Merlin are looking at this from a company perspective - even a Nemesis themed attraction could struggle against The Swarm where they want all the attention for 2012...
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Its from a piece of paper that could or couldn't be accurate.
We have a real problem now that with the internet enthusiasts have a huge resource to pull from and can legally get hold of documents that before the world of the internet was not possible. I would caution therefore not to get too heated about any opening day potential until it comes from Alton Towers
However, as i said a late opening is neither wrong nor uncommon and is infact almost guarentee'd in most world parks so we can hardly make Towers hold to a different ethos, sure its nice to have the ride open in March but its hardly essential other than being slightly frustrating for geeks.
We have a real problem now that with the internet enthusiasts have a huge resource to pull from and can legally get hold of documents that before the world of the internet was not possible. I would caution therefore not to get too heated about any opening day potential until it comes from Alton Towers
However, as i said a late opening is neither wrong nor uncommon and is infact almost guarentee'd in most world parks so we can hardly make Towers hold to a different ethos, sure its nice to have the ride open in March but its hardly essential other than being slightly frustrating for geeks.
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While we on the subject on Alton Towers... they've been awfully hush about this.. like nothing on the main website has even the word "NEW FOR 2012" on it
I hope after fireworks their is some kind of press release
I hope after fireworks their is some kind of press release
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I don't personally mind when the ride opens as long as it is something quite special, properly themed and does nemesis justice. If it works and it fits the theme and runs properly then i don't see why it should matter if it opens at the start of the season or later.
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Big Dave
I wonder if they will try and tie Nemesis Inferno into the whole Nemesis legend? If all the marketing for this new ride is correct, Nemesis Inferno is the only ride in the Nemesis brand that doesnt link back to the original ride at all.
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[quote=""Jollylee11""]While we on the subject on Alton Towers... they've been awfully hush about this.. like nothing on the main website has even the word "NEW FOR 2012" on it
I hope after fireworks their is some kind of press release[/quote]
Hush? I think they're being smart with their marketing. I'm going to generalise a bit here but only enthusiasts will be thinking about the 2012 season right now. Joe and Josephine Public are thinking about christmas.
AT have therefore chosen to target the hardcore up until now i.e. Teaser Trailer on a minisite, separate from the main website (on which they're marketing events happening up until christmas); small presence on the Scarefest Map; actors and theming during scarefest.
This then generates excitement in the hardcore community which often then filters out into the mainstream. And the hardcore (read: Geek) community loves nothing more than being given the smallest of clues and speculating wildly on every single one of them
I would expect them to start marketing to the general public Jan at the absolute earliest. More likely Mid-Feb to put it in people's minds for half-term/easter hols.
Marketing should be used like a sniper rifle, not a blunderbuss - and I think AT are doing well so far.
I hope after fireworks their is some kind of press release[/quote]
Hush? I think they're being smart with their marketing. I'm going to generalise a bit here but only enthusiasts will be thinking about the 2012 season right now. Joe and Josephine Public are thinking about christmas.
AT have therefore chosen to target the hardcore up until now i.e. Teaser Trailer on a minisite, separate from the main website (on which they're marketing events happening up until christmas); small presence on the Scarefest Map; actors and theming during scarefest.
This then generates excitement in the hardcore community which often then filters out into the mainstream. And the hardcore (read: Geek) community loves nothing more than being given the smallest of clues and speculating wildly on every single one of them
I would expect them to start marketing to the general public Jan at the absolute earliest. More likely Mid-Feb to put it in people's minds for half-term/easter hols.
Marketing should be used like a sniper rifle, not a blunderbuss - and I think AT are doing well so far.
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[quote=""Big Dave""]I wonder if they will try and tie Nemesis Inferno into the whole Nemesis legend?[/quote]
I really really hope not, i think the ride should be kept with the original and amazing themeing/legend of Nemesis, not Nemesis Inferno. After all the new ride is going into AT not Thorpe Park so should keep with the theme of the original (and better) ride.
I really really hope not, i think the ride should be kept with the original and amazing themeing/legend of Nemesis, not Nemesis Inferno. After all the new ride is going into AT not Thorpe Park so should keep with the theme of the original (and better) ride.
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The reason why the name Nemesis was added to Inferno was to relate the coaster type to the public. That way when advertising began people would know it was a "so called" intense ride on a inverted coaster similar to the most famous one at Alton Towers as a ride type. It has no link what so ever to the theme of the ride and should stay that way.
I dont think anyone could think that the themes are linked in any case one is an alien in a pit twisting through rock, rust and red water, while the other is set in a tropical area themed around a erupting volcano with lush plants and a small creek. They are at two seperate parks with two seperate themes if any action should be taken it would be to remove the use of Nemesis in the Inferno title..
Back on topic
As for the ride opening date regarding a construction date on a plan I think is looking a bit too far into it, is it not possible that they have just given them plenty of room for delays or additional themeing and landscape maybe added or completed after the ride opens. I like the point about opening it later so as to not go head to head with Swarm but I imagine that would be getting a large ad campaign again before the summer anyway. We'll just have to wait and see.
I dont think anyone could think that the themes are linked in any case one is an alien in a pit twisting through rock, rust and red water, while the other is set in a tropical area themed around a erupting volcano with lush plants and a small creek. They are at two seperate parks with two seperate themes if any action should be taken it would be to remove the use of Nemesis in the Inferno title..
Back on topic
As for the ride opening date regarding a construction date on a plan I think is looking a bit too far into it, is it not possible that they have just given them plenty of room for delays or additional themeing and landscape maybe added or completed after the ride opens. I like the point about opening it later so as to not go head to head with Swarm but I imagine that would be getting a large ad campaign again before the summer anyway. We'll just have to wait and see.
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Has anyone considered that this tender could not only be covering WLB but other works after that perhaps?
This would mean they build WLB and move on to gound prep for the next SW or residual works that we all know desperatly need doing at some areas of the park
This would mean they build WLB and move on to gound prep for the next SW or residual works that we all know desperatly need doing at some areas of the park
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[quote=""Jordan""]It seems unusual for Towers to open a ride mid-season. Has it been done before?[/quote]
Driving School opened July 2006, same season as Charlie.
You'd think that having no ride open for a year and a half at this point would mean they had plenty of time to plan way in advance and make sure this thing would be ready for opening day.
Driving School opened July 2006, same season as Charlie.
You'd think that having no ride open for a year and a half at this point would mean they had plenty of time to plan way in advance and make sure this thing would be ready for opening day.
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I find it highly unlikely that this won't be ready for the main season in March.
Assuming they don't intend to open it at February half term, do we think that Forbidden Valley will be off limits duing this period, as to keep people away from the construction site?
Assuming they don't intend to open it at February half term, do we think that Forbidden Valley will be off limits duing this period, as to keep people away from the construction site?
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I agree with Tom. Will be amazed if it isn't open in March. After not opening a new attraction all year, the management would have to be COMPLETELY incompetent and useless not to have this ready for March.
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[quote=""Sam""]After not opening a new attraction all year, the management would have to be COMPLETELY incompetent and useless not to have this ready for March.[/quote]
Not at all - there really is nothing unusual about a mid-season opening. Look at Legoland, for example: save Pirates Landing and Kingdom of the Pharaohs, they've always had mid-season openings in the past, never done them any harm. Atlantis has done the park absolute wonders this season, and opened in May.
The management would be "completely incompetent and useless" if they didn't open anything next season, but there's nothing wrong with it opening more towards Easter, or even Summer...
Not at all - there really is nothing unusual about a mid-season opening. Look at Legoland, for example: save Pirates Landing and Kingdom of the Pharaohs, they've always had mid-season openings in the past, never done them any harm. Atlantis has done the park absolute wonders this season, and opened in May.
The management would be "completely incompetent and useless" if they didn't open anything next season, but there's nothing wrong with it opening more towards Easter, or even Summer...