The future of Nemesis.....

[smudge.]

What could happen in 4 years that hasn't in 18? There is nothing wrong with nemesis in the slightest, it's not unsafe, it's not unreliable, it's obviously still popular, it won't be replaced/removed until it is any of them


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[Voke]

What could happen in 4 years that hasn't in 18? There is nothing wrong with nemesis in the slightest, it's not unsafe, it's not unreliable, it's obviously still popular, it won't be replaced/removed until it is any of them


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As I said, I'm only passing on a rumor I've been told of. It's only an idea at the moment, and isn't set in stone. It's only being discussed, and the likelihood of it is, is that it wont happen. But I just thought I'd post it here to make people aware of it.

[smudge.]

I wasn't suggesting you are making this up, I was merely pointing out reasons why I don't think it will be removed.

With regards to your statement "a lot an happen in 4 years" is completely irrelevant as ANYTHING can happen in 4 years, someone could die and the whole park shut down for example. You can not start thinking about if's & ands




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[Stelios7]

Then surely SW8 would need to adapt to going under the Nemesis loop. It being "similar" really ponders many questions.

[Pennywise]

Your 'rumour' is, as far as I'm concerned, as legitimate as the idea of an elephant-mongoose cross-breed living in a villa on the sun. Or, in other words, it is utterly preposterous. Nemesis is 18 years old this year. For a rollercoaster, that's young, for a B&M, still a toddler. Wherever you've heard this rumour from, mate, I would suggest that you discount it completely, whether it's an attempt to wind you up or merely somebody looking to impress you by being 'in the know' is insignificant.

Think about it like this. For enthusiasts, the general opinion is that Nemesis is the best coaster in the park. For the general public, it's still very marketable and hardly disliked by the majority (something which could be argued for Th13teen). It would therefore be an utterly ludicrous business decision to remove it, especially considering the amount of space which is still available across the park. As Blaze alluded to earlier in this thread, this coaster was built to last. Corkscrew lasted 28 years. This, a cheap off-the-shelf coaster which was easily overshadowed by other attractions eighteen years into it's reign. Nemesis will not be removed after twenty-two.

As for when it will be removed, who knows? It's not really a point worth discussing at present, but I'd be surprised if it didn't last 50 years at least. For the park to even consider removing it, it will have to have declined dramatically in popularity, be costing more to maintain, be overshadowed by other attractions at the park... and I honestly believe that there will have to be no space left on which the park can build.

Essentially, Nemesis isn't going anywhere any time soon, and it'll outlive most of the other attractions presently at the park, too. Why don't we discuss them instead?

[Voke]

With regards to your statement "a lot an happen in 4 years" is completely irrelevant as ANYTHING can happen in 4 years, someone could die and the whole park shut down for example. You can not start thinking about if's & ands


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I actually said that '4 seasons is a long time', not that 'alot of thing's can happen in 4 years'. I'm aware that something serious could happen, but isn't the whole point of a Forum to discuss and potentially speculate by using, 'What ifs'. This is relevant to this discussion as the point of this topic is to discuss the future of the attraction, and if this idea went ahead, could potentially jeopardize the future.

The chances are that Nemesis will be stronger than ever in 4 years time, I'm just saying that an idea is in the works to remove the attraction. Although I'm nearly 100% certain it won't happen.

[James6]

Also remember that at the Th13teen event, the question was asked to John Wardley by a kid. The reply was that even their grandchildren would be able to ride it. I interpret that as its going to last a good 30 years+ at the absolute minimum, unless he predicts people start to have grandchildren in their teens.

It also begs the questions such as if it was true, why would they run it at February half term? Surely they'd want to "use" it as little as possible to put off replacing it. It'd also be believable if every other week the ride was closed for welding etc, but it's not.

The number of times this rumour goes around, its just not going to happen. 

[smudge.]

With regards to your statement "a lot an happen in 4 years" is completely irrelevant as ANYTHING can happen in 4 years, someone could die and the whole park shut down for example. You can not start thinking about if's & ands


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I actually said that '4 seasons is a long time', not that 'alot of thing's can happen in 4 years'. I'm aware that something serious could happen, but isn't the whole point of a Forum to discuss and potentially speculate by using, 'What ifs'. This is relevant to this discussion as the point of this topic is to discuss the future of the attraction, and if this idea went ahead, could potentially jeopardize the future.

The chances are that Nemesis will be stronger than ever in 4 years time, I'm just saying that an idea is in the works to remove the attraction. Although I'm nearly 100% certain it won't happen.

Firstly I apologise for the miss quote, but doesn't that still imply the same thing?

My fist post was simply saying why your ludicrous rumour was wrong. Albeit only IMO, but from the general consensus of this topic alone, it seems I am not the only one suggesting how this is utter nonsense.

Always I'm sure, we / I appreciate any rumour bought to light, and my point was only to shed some more realistic light on the rumour, not to in any means rubbish what you were saying or what you have heard.


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[Stelios7]

Also remember that at the Th13teen event, the question was asked to John Wardley by a kid. The reply was that even their grandchildren would be able to ride it. I interpret that as its going to last a good 30 years+ at the absolute minimum, unless he predicts people start to have grandchildren in their teens.

It also begs the questions such as if it was true, why would they run it at February half term? Surely they'd want to "use" it as little as possible to put off replacing it. It'd also be believable if every other week the ride was closed for welding etc, but it's not.

The number of times this rumour goes around, its just not going to happen.

But it could surely be misinterpreted and just be new steel and trains. Feeling more fresh and maybe even faster.

[Cariba]

I think the fact that their are wooden rollercoasters around a century old still operating right next to the Irish Sea at Blackpool, despite the fact that wood has a tendency to rot, means that a steel rollercoaster in the Midlands will be with us for a hell of a long time yet.

[Voke]

I think the fact that their are wooden rollercoasters around a century old still operating right next to the Irish Sea at Blackpool, despite the fact that wood has a tendency to rot, means that a steel rollercoaster in the Midlands will be with us for a hell of a long time yet.

Totally agree with this, even though the idea may be passing around. I think it's safe to say Nemesis will be with us for an awful long time. 

It just wouldn't make sense for it to be going soon, even with or without Sub-Terra being released later this year!

[Stelios7]

I think the fact that their are wooden rollercoasters around a century old still operating right next to the Irish Sea at Blackpool, despite the fact that wood has a tendency to rot, means that a steel rollercoaster in the Midlands will be with us for a hell of a long time yet.

Totally agree with this, even though the idea may be passing around. I think it's safe to say Nemesis will be with us for an awful long time. 

It just wouldn't make sense for it to be going soon, even with or without Sub-Terra being released later this year!

Ditto, if this source of yours is reliable. I'd assume it'd be updated, maybe a lick of paint. New steel, but I'm sure it wouldn't be on it's last legs for some time now. Could be have a revamped station? The paint and the whole monster looks a bit more papery now if you know what I mean. That could be the absolute minimum.

[Dobba]

Slightly off topic, but is the track 100% what was put in there originally or has it been "patched up" before?

[Voke]

Slightly off topic, but is the track 100% what was put in there originally or has it been "patched up" before?

It's the same track as it was since the opening of Nemesis in 1994. I do believe that the track has been given one or two new coats of paint since then, but has been left since as many people believe the 'rusting and worn' look suits its theme and the surrounding area well.

[Poison Tom 96]

One support has been replaced on the track (first corkscrew?)

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[themealgang]

I still believe that Nemesis is the saving grance of Brithish theme parks. B&M are one of the best manufactures out there, and I am almost certain that Wardley has praised their sublime after sales service on many occasions. Poles have proven that Nemesis is their best work- and it is indeed the best roller coaster in the world to have inversions. It WILL be its us for a very long time; no one has a bad word to say about it. The same couldn't of been said for The Corkscrew.

In addition, the brand still works if Alton are planning on building a drop tower themed to it eighteen years later!

[Stern John]

Nemesis should be listed.

[Sam]

Nemesis should be listed.

Good luck with that one, the Blackpool woodies aren't even listed.

[JoshC]

Slightly off topic, but is the track 100% what was put in there originally or has it been "patched up" before?

I believe that a bit of track was replaced under the loop before the 2009 season, which is why it wasnt open for feb half term that year.

[Nemesis94]

Nemesis has sections of track replaced every year. Not necessarily whole track sections, sometimes it is just the rail that is replaced.

Like all rides and structures, Nemesis will have a design life. I'm not sure how long it is, but I would guess it is definately 30 years plus (well into the 2020 or even 2030's). That doesn't mean that after it's design life it will be removed, it will just mean that it might need more substantial maintenance every close season. Most likely would be new trains at some point, and maybe complete track sections and supports would need replacing.

The question as to whether Alton Towers would ever remove Nemesis would be a cost issue. If it is costing too much every season to keep running, and not really pulling people in to the park. Then it would probably be removed, but only if they could replace it with something better. I don't see either of these happening for a long time yet. As most people agree, Nemesis is still the best ride there.