The London Dungeon

[Pennywise]

I did Satan's Grotto way back in 2008, and it was definitely the highlight of the whole attraction for me. The interaction between actor and guest was good, and Satan's version of Last Christmas was fantastic, he could genuinely sing too.

"Last Christmas I cut out your heart...
And the very next day, I sold it on eBay...
This year, I cut off your ear..."

I would definitely recommend it to those who haven't done it before.

[sheepie]

I visited the Dungeons today- I thought Satan's Grotto was a neat change for the Holidays. The actress we had was fantastic and interacted very well with the other audience members.

Not sure if she said children had to sell their souls but she did say that only people who had been naughty would receive presents.

Apart from the first scene having some scenic changes (such as a blooded-up reindeer head and Santa's head hanging above the Labyrinth entrance) the rest of the attraction remained the same, bar some very spooky looking Christmas trees in the first half of the attraction.

The Dungeons remain my favourite London Midway attraction.

[nickhutson]

Take this with a huge grain of salt but, according to the Daily Fail... Wail... Mail..., Merlin are to build the world's first 5D Ride at The London Dungeon; it will involve lasers and shooting horrible things.

Questions:

How do they know this?
Where the heck is it going to go?
What makes the ride so unique/5D?

It is exciting though!

Thoughts?!

Here is the link: [url=http://www.dailymail.co.uk/travel/artic ... -Miro.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;]http://www.dailymail.co.uk/travel/artic ... -Miro.html[/url]

[The its man]

I'm sorry, a 5-Dimensional ride? Has the ride industry only just struck on String Theory then? Speaking as as a ride enthusiast, it'd be interesting to see what on earth a 5-Dimensional ride is. Speaking as a physicist or mathematician, I think they've just gone nuts as it's specualted that the Fifth Dimension is spacetime fabric and how you can put that into a ride I've just no idea.

[nickhutson]

maybe they are putting the 5th dimension from chessington into the dungeon!

The only thing I can think of is that it will involve actors and interacting with them.


the wording is only something I read in the Mail on Sunday.. so, as I said... take it with a... large quarry of salt!

[FallenAbyss]

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I'd be concerned about throughput, but it would certainly be suited to the dungeons.

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[nickhutson]

Ah yes - good thinking. I was hoping it would be a dark ride, though! It would be suited for the Dungeon.

They are usually pretty good at handling the throughput. Each section seems to last about 5 minutes and they usually keep one waiting with good pre-show material.

I just wonder what they are going to get rid of in order to put this in... unless they have bought more room there! It does seem to get bigger and bigger every year! Bravo to Merlin (if this turns out to even be true!)

[monsterdan5]

Now that does look really cool, but throughput... hmm

[nickhutson]

Why are you worried about throughput?

The Sweeney Todd thing is about 25 people... they stagger it all in groups... it should be fine.

[Adam]

You could argue Terminator at Universal is a 5D attraction as it involved 3d, live action, effects and movement... Same goes for Spiderman.

So it's hardly a worlds first.

[Sam]

ARGH!

Sorry I hate this. "5D" is just a stupid marketing gimmick. 2D and 3D make sense. 4D is just a crap industry buzzword for films with effects. What is this extra "dimension"?

And so what is the 5th dimension, if we don't even know what the fourth is? We should report this stuff to the advertising standards agency.

[evil cod]

[quote=""Sam""]ARGH!

Sorry I hate this. "5D" is just a stupid marketing gimmick. 2D and 3D make sense. 4D is just a crap industry buzzword for films with effects. What is this extra "dimension"?

And so what is the 5th dimension, if we don't even know what the fourth is? We should report this stuff to the advertising standards agency. [/quote]

Its a word used by the a manufacturer to name a product, 4D coaster is no different, neither really is a flying coaster since you are in no form actually flying, wild mouse coasters arnt really mice at all, log flumes arnt actual logs because that wouldnt work properly, runaway mine trains dirty little secret... its actually all controlled and it was never designed to be used in a mine and ohhh myyy god imagine how cool a real super dragon would be!

SOMEONE CALL ADVERTISING STANDARDS!

Its a marketing term/name used to make something sound more exciting and fantastic than it is, get over it.

[Sam]

But Cod, where does it stop? It's basically the inflation of marketing.

Like other kinds of inflation (ever noticed how 'lol' used to indicated something was very funny but now you have to write 'ROFL' or 'LOL' in capitals for the same effect) it means that as it advances it devalues the currency of marketing.

Maybe in the 80's a 3D cinema show with effects would be thrilling and cutting edge. Now 3D sounds old hat and the industry front-runners had to adopt the term 4D for what was effectively the same show to differentiate from every tom, dick and harry theme park with a 3D show.

Now they're doing the same with 5D, as too much parks have a 4D show and you can't sell it as well. Even though it's effectively the same thing. Soon when every decent park has a 5D show, then Disney will open 6D.

[nickhutson]

Think we're veering of course a bit here...

As no release from The Dungeon has been announced yet - and the term 5D has not been used by them, I don't think it's really necessary to get into an argument about whether it should be used. I think with 3D just being so normal nowadays, the attraction designers have to find ways to bump it up a notch. I doubt the Dungeon will use 5D in their public marketing to lure victims into its talons!

What would you like to see the dungeon replace with this attraction?

[evil cod]

Just think of it like a version number for marketing its like a 4D attraction with extra stuff which in turn is like a 3D attraction with extra stuff which was a 2D cinema with extra stuff. If someone has put the extra effort in to add extra features on top of a cinema film surely they deserve the right to advertise it. The 4D name was never designed to be taken in a literal physics term.

So do you think this should be billed as "London Dungeons to add new ride with 3D videos, physical effects and movement of carriages"... not very catchy, doesnt exactly get your attention.

If advances in technology carn't be given names to advertise they are an advance really what is the point of development? HDTV devalued TV, SmartPhone devalued Mobile Phone, xbox/ps devalues Atari 2600s, dvd devalued video cassette, its the way life works, more modern technology devalues old technology no matter what they call it, I really don't get what your problem is?!

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[quote=""nickhutson""]Think we're veering of course a bit here...

As no release from The Dungeon has been announced yet - and the term 5D has not been used by them, I don't think it's really necessary to get into an argument about whether it should be used. I think with 3D just being so normal nowadays, the attraction designers have to find ways to bump it up a notch. I doubt the Dungeon will use 5D in their public marketing to lure victims into its talons!

What would you like to see the dungeon replace with this attraction?[/quote]

Sorry Mr. Admin

Anyway I'd personally like to see any of the 1st 3 scenes from Jack the Ripper replaced they are soo boring and dated compared to the rest of the attraction.

[monsterdan5]

Good ride, bad name... 4D is just about acceptable but 5D? No.

[nickhutson]

The ride isn't called 5D.

I agree with evil cod; I think the Jack the Ripper section is not in keeping with the new way the Dungeon has been heading the past 5 years. However, I don't think they will remove it as it is a huge part of London's history. However - might be interesting if they made this new attraction tell the story of Jack the Rippper! Just a thought...

I also wouldn't be too bothered if Labrynth went... there never seem to be any effects in there.

On an off hand - I've noticed Traitor was down for a week back in November; were any changes made?

[Magrathea]

I can't quite understand how a laser battle concept is going to work in the context of the Dungeons' theming, but if this is indeed a ride they're going to need quite a bit of space. Then again, I don't actually know the floor plan of the building, could there be potential room for expansion that they can utilise?

[[Archive]]

No, not really. They are located in railway arches underneath a train station, it seems to be pretty squashed up as it is. They will have to remove some stuff to make way for this, surely.

[nickhutson]

I think one of the selling points of buying this attraction is that it has a small footprint - as it's just a room with seats in it.

I am sure something will go, and a detour will happen!