Thorpe Park Resort

[CF1]

@ Mitch
I understand u, and u are right in some Points.
B&M Coaster normally work from the first Day, and the dont need to Fix some Parts of the Track ore remove some Elements.
B&M is the highest quality u can get, no question. But its also right that a lot of Rollercoasters from them are similar. Not 100% a Clone, but similar.
Look to the Inverter, Batman, Black Mamba, Nemesis Inferno, Alpengeist... its ever the Same "Drop, Looping, Zero G, other Inversion like Immelmann ore Cobra Roll, Corkscrew Corksrew, Helix"
U ride every Time the same, and u can see on Nemesis ore Afterburn that is possible to build something really other.
Another example are the Speedcoaster, ride Silverstar, Nitro, Diamaond Back and close your Eyes, its the same. Only Goliath in Six Flags over Georgia is a little bit more Intesne and with the Big Helix something special.
Also the Flying Coasters, Superman, Tatsu, its nearly the same and u can do so much with this Kind of Ride.

Intamin have some Problems, some fails and also some Rides i dont like, but they try to build ever something special.

[TB2]

Look to the Inverter, Batman, Black Mamba, Nemesis Inferno, Alpengeist... its ever the Same "Drop, Looping, Zero G, other Inversion like Immelmann ore Cobra Roll, Corkscrew Corksrew, Helix"

Absolutely. But then each one 'feels' different. Theres a huge gulf in quality for instance between Black Mamba and Nemesis Inferno (could even throw Batman la Fuga in here to) and thats purely down to the atmosphere and the theming.

I feel it's to basic to say B&M build the same layouts over and over again because theres enough examples of rollercoasters they do such as Tatsu, Hydra The Revenge, Silver Bullet etc that aren't conventional B&M lay-outs. Its irrelevant if they do the same elements as other coaster's of their type, the point is they don't always do them in a set order.

[Nightfall]

[quote=""TB2""]

Look to the Inverter, Batman, Black Mamba, Nemesis Inferno, Alpengeist... its ever the Same "Drop, Looping, Zero G, other Inversion like Immelmann ore Cobra Roll, Corkscrew Corksrew, Helix"

Absolutely. But then each one 'feels' different. Theres a huge gulf in quality for instance between Black Mamba and Nemesis Inferno (could even throw Batman la Fuga in here to) and thats purely down to the atmosphere and the theming.

I feel it's to basic to say B&M build the same layouts over and over again because theres enough examples of rollercoasters they do such as Tatsu, Hydra The Revenge, Silver Bullet etc that aren't conventional B&M lay-outs. Its irrelevant if they do the same elements as other coaster's of their type, the point is they don't always do them in a set order.[/quote]But the atmosphere and theming is down to the park and not B&M. I think it’s completely fair to say B&M follow the same formula. 80%-90% of each coaster model contains not just the same elements but the same running order. They don't always repeat the same formula but when 9 out of 10 models do claiming that they keep building the same layout is a fairly solid statement.

As I said before I don't mind them sticking to a tried and tested formula. I just find their basic layout rather bland.

[Jared]

Well the formula obviously works, so don't fix what ain't broken!

[CF1]

Everybody have another feeling and think otherwise, but i have Riden more then 580 Rollercoasters and i think a lot of B&M Coasters are "similar".
I dont say the Coasters are bad...!

[John]

I don't think B&M similarity is a big deal in Europe. If you include Raptor and Krake, we only have 14 B&Ms spread across the entire continent: 1 flying, 6 inverted, 1 wingrider, 2 dive coasters, 1 mega, 2 floorless and 1 standard sit down. There simply aren't enough of them to complain about similarity.

As an aside, I suspect that we have Nemesis to thank for the relatively large number of inverted coasters.

[Rob_Green94]

^ hold on a second, I thought shockwave was a B&M standup ?

[[Archive]]

No, Shockwave is an Intamin.

[Javs]

Planning has gone up for LC12.

Clicky for Details

No documents yet though.

[Sam]

The rollercoaster will be pretty much exactly this high then, as a frame of reference for people:

[Maelstrom]

and the same as showckwave at drayton manor

[Sam]

[quote=""Maelstrom""]and the same as showckwave at drayton manor[/quote]
About 6 and a half feet taller actually, to be anal about it.

[AstroDan]

This will be about 5' shorter than Blue Fire, I would expect speeds of around 55-60mph on it.

[Rollercoaster5000]

hmmmm. It does appear that the planners have asked thorpe to reduce the coaster's height to 126 ft which is probably why it has taken thorpe so long to produce plans for the ride.

126 ft isn't that bad, another 4ft then it will be the height of the average US coaster (130 ft). 126' should provide a decent speed of over 55 mph providing the first drop is relatively steep.
The webpage says that there will be themed structures. Façades that look as though they have been apart by a nuclear bomb blast should look fantastic if Merlin put the effort in!

Really excited about the plans coming out in the next few weeks ! We'll finally know which manufacture have been chosen! Please be a B&M (or a Mack) [-o<!

[Mitch]

[quote=""AstroDan""]This will be about 5' shorter than Blue Fire, I would expect speeds of around 55-60mph on it.[/quote]
Actually the maximum height of it will be 2ft taller.

Oh and if we're really going to be anal about comparing its height to other coasters it will be precisely between the heights of:

Big Boom at Myoko Sunshine Land
Big Boom at Nasu Highland Park

and

American Eagle at Six Flags Great America

Other coasters similar in height, give or take 3 ft:

Anaconda at Kings Dominion
Gemini at Cedar Point
Colossus at Six Flags Magic Mountain
Dragon Challenge at Islands of Adventure
Lake Placid Bobsled at Palisades Amusement park
Milky Way at Mitsui Greenland
Atomic Coaster at Japan Monkey Park
Atomic Coaster at Dreamland
blue fire megacoaster at Europa Park
Roller Coaster at Tianjin Amusement Park
Sky Loop at Ikoma Skyland
Vertigorama at Parque de la Ciudad
Supersonic Odyssey at Cosmo's World
Flare Meteor at Fantawild Adventure
and finally... Wang Zhong Wang at Baiyun Park.

To see MORE coasters of a similar size... click here!

Although maybe that was a little excessive, I thought it necessary to ensure everyone knew exactly how tall this coaster should be with respect to other coasters of a similar height. :P

[sheepie]

With regards to the B&M layout debate; they build what the park ask for. Some parks prefer to have a creative input, others don't. We're very lucky with Merlin as we have some great people who like to get involved with layouts.

I'm hoping this coaster is indeed a B&M, we need another one in the UK. You know you're going to get a crowd pleasing, big throughput, reliable and attractive ride and they provide great after-care services as well.

[DiogoJ42]

...an area known as Monk's Walk, an old footpath that has linked the ruins of nearby Chertsey Abbey to Thorpe Church since AD666. The ride's foundations would have been over 15 metres deep in an area of the park where stone coffins have previously been excavated.

Err... WHAT? It's an ex gravel pit FFS!

:no: Even Morewonga wouldn't stoop that low. This reeks of Mandyland. #-o

[Magrathea]

Ride construction delayed because it was built on the site of an ancient burial ground? I have the strangest Déjà vu...

[Adam]

What I think people forget is, the only purpose of these kinds of story's is to spread the word. It is free advertisement for the new ride.

That is it's only job. It is nothing to do with the theme, it's simply to get the ride mentioned in the press.

The more absurd the better, just means more papers will pick it up!

That's kinda how marketing works... As long as these stories are making it into the press, they will continue.

[Kaz]

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