SW6 Ride Discussion

[LittleJonny]

personally I think that it will be great no matter who makes it, its not like Alton towers to do a half hearted effort in creating a ride. especially a secret weapon, we haven't been disappointed in the past. Would be great for B & M to create the ride but im on the fence about whether they are or not. Its a good theory that the plans have been deliberatly put out there to miss lead us, though I seriously doubt that this is the case im sure for legal reasons they would have to state somewhere that the plans wern't actually real.

[Tommy]

I'm now 100% sure that it is a Bailey Auto Sled..



Joking aside though, there's very little chance of it actually being a B&M. Many of us had already subconsciously accepted that, only to have it brought back to life by Sanbrookes announcement on YouTube. It's swings and roundabouts, there's very little evidence to actually support it being a B&M, and the only evidence there is plays around the fact that "previous SW were B&M's" and that "B&M are renowned for trying their prototypes at Alton".

These factors really aren't that important to a Theme Park when it comes to installing a ride. I think that to Alton Towers B&M are a prospect, but thats it. I think they are maybe a little ahead of the competition when it comes to who Alton decides upon but I don't think that they are leaps and bounds away from companies like Mack or Intamin.

There's just way to many things that point to it not being a B&M. I'm not even sure I want it to be a B&M that much, but I must be honest, this whole project has actually got me posting on here again

There's still another ride going in that tent though...apparently.

[SAM93]

Some fan made visuals by the same person who created the video I posted a few days ago have been released onto Towers Nerd...


[url=http://2010.towersnerd.com/visuals.php" target="_blank]http://2010.towersnerd.com/visuals.php[/url]

[kingda dude]

I am going to say this again since my comment would appear to be over looked!
The submitted blueprints which officially HAVE TO BE 100% accurate show that the ride has a track styling close to intamin but with the third rail removed, if anyone can find out which companys create this kind of tracks we will be able to possibly work out who built it!

I also want to say I think we can think now that however much we would love it to be a B&M it just won't!

I think that actually that this ride may be a vekoma custom other i.e some thing like expedition everest.

[rightbackgranty]

We've tried that Kingda Dude - dont worry. However, it is hard to get an exact match. I think premier, intamin and mack all had tracks that looked similar to it.

Plus, B&M could have always designed a new track. As unlikely as some people say.

[Wes]

[quote=""SAM93""]Some fan made visuals by the same person who created the video I posted a few days ago have been released onto Towers Nerd...


[url=http://2010.towersnerd.com/visuals.php" target="_blank]http://2010.towersnerd.com/visuals.php[/url][/quote]


Those are stunning!

[Sam]

[quote=""Mankey""]B&M are amazing manufacturers don't get me wrong, but I just cannot see whats wrong with it being another manufacturer? Intamin, Mack, Vekoma... They're all amazing manufacturers and I just can't see why the ride would be any different if it were one of those.[/quote]
Can we please stop this "let's not criticize any manufacturers, they all have their good points" thing? Vekoma suck. Let's put it plainly. I will be highly disappointed if it's them. I'm sure it would still be an amazing ride, due to the theming, the setting and based on the track we can see on the plans, but for me it'd be the worst possible outcome in terms of manufacturer. Their trains hurt, they're rough and uncomfortable with a few notable exceptions (Velocity, I'm looking at you, yes I admit it you were pretty good for a mid-sized park). I know you're all gonna pipe up about RNR (which I have been on) and Everest (which I haven't) which are both amazing rides but strip away ALL the theming and both would be absolute rubbish. I'm not saying there aren't ANY good Vekoma rides, just that their hit rate is much, much lower.

I haven't been on any (major) Mack rides, but I have heard great things. I would be very happy to see what they could bring to the table.

[billyrae]

[quote=""kingda dude""]I am going to say this again since my comment would appear to be over looked!
The submitted blueprints which officially HAVE TO BE 100% accurate show that the ride has a track styling close to intamin but with the third rail removed, if anyone can find out which companys create this kind of tracks we will be able to possibly work out who built it!

I also want to say I think we can think now that however much we would love it to be a B&M it just won't!

I think that actually that this ride may be a vekoma custom other i.e some thing like expedition everest.[/quote]

I have to disagree with you there regarding plans needing to be 100% accurate.
On the plans submitted for my house build they do not show the bricks in the walls or the type of tile we used on the roof.
You forget the very strong rumour that B&M have developed a totally new ride concept which was to be shown at the iaapa convention.You just have to listen to Mr Barnes on that interview
he gave on corkscrews last day to know that what Alton Towers are about to build a totally new UNBELIEVABLE worlds first.
B&M imo have developed this totally new coaster concept and we will be seeing it at Alton Towers in 2010

[JakFrontier]

Shut up about B&M. You're all in cloud cuckoo land.

Don't get me wrong i'd love a B&M more than anything. buts its jsut not going to happen for resons already said.

[AstroDan]

[quote=""ShootTheCore""]Vekoma suck. Let's put it plainly. I will be highly disappointed if it's them. I'm sure it would still be an amazing ride, due to the theming, the setting and based on the track we can see on the plans, but for me it'd be the worst possible outcome in terms of manufacturer. Their trains hurt, they're rough and uncomfortable with a few notable exceptions (Velocity, I'm looking at you, yes I admit it you were pretty good for a mid-sized park). I know you're all gonna pipe up about RNR (which I have been on) and Everest (which I haven't) which are both amazing rides but strip away ALL the theming and both would be absolute rubbish. I'm not saying there aren't ANY good Vekoma rides, just that their hit rate is much, much lower.
[/quote]

I must say that's unduly harsh on Vekoma. They have the capabilities to build very high quality rollercoasters as has been shown with Mammut, Colorado Adventure etc. Add in the Alton theming, and I would say Vekoma are probably just as tasty for this project as any other manufacturer.

[CJH]

I seen a few pictures of Ispeed at Mirabilandia, that is due to open soon.
It's an Intamin launch coaster, but the supports are different to Intamins normal supports.
They are a bit more square-ish, maybe it's just me but do the plans make the supports of SW6 look a bit squarer than normal supports?
[url=http://2010.towersnerd.com/plans/9_big.jpg" target="_blank]http://2010.towersnerd.com/plans/9_big.jpg[/url]

[url=http://www.rcdb.com/ig4147.htm?picture=13" target="_blank]http://www.rcdb.com/ig4147.htm?picture=13[/url]


Maybe it is Intamin, with the bi-rail?


I'm not botherd who manufactures it to be honest. I am sure it will be a great new expierience!

[JamesJ.]

If Vekoma are good enough for Disney, then surely they are good enough for Alton?

[Rob L]

[quote=""CJH""]I seen a few pictures of Ispeed at Mirabilandia, that is due to open soon.
It's an Intamin launch coaster, but the supports are different to Intamins normal supports.
They are a bit more square-ish, maybe it's just me but do the plans make the supports of SW6 look a bit squarer than normal supports?
[url=http://2010.towersnerd.com/plans/9_big.jpg" target="_blank]http://2010.towersnerd.com/plans/9_big.jpg[/url]

[url=http://www.rcdb.com/ig4147.htm?picture=13" target="_blank]http://www.rcdb.com/ig4147.htm?picture=13[/url]


Maybe it is Intamin, with the bi-rail?


I'm not botherd who manufactures it to be honest. I am sure it will be a great new expierience![/quote]

I completely agree, it's not all about the manufacturer for this coaster, it's quite clear that the selling point for SW6 is going to be the whole experience and what happens in the station building. With Oblivion you had the vertical drop, with Air the flying position, but I feel the theme is going to be very important to this project. I personally think that the ride experience will be virtually the same regardless of the manufacturer.

I also agree about the possibility of Intamin, and that's who my money's on right now. There are a lot of things pointed towards them in my opinion, including the layout of the track. I really don't think we're going to be finding out who the manufacturer is any time soon though!

[leroy2009jones]

B&M































(This is not spam, im just re-iterating that it will be a B&M for those who have forgotten)
John Wardley, Claude and Walter on site.

[ImagineerJohn]

I decided to register here after seeing how much speculating is going on and i want to refer to 2 posts i made on other forums regarding the company.

I believe it wil not be a B&M.. Many will now be saying "Wheres your evidence". Well heres probably the strongest evidence i looked into suggest it is Intamin rather than B&M.

Post 1: [url=http://www.towersnerd.com/community/sho ... tcount=367" target="_blank]http://www.towersnerd.com/community/sho ... tcount=367[/url]
Post 2: [url=http://www.towersnerd.com/community/sho ... tcount=370" target="_blank]http://www.towersnerd.com/community/sho ... tcount=370[/url]

I hope this is a little bit more believable and offers some more evidence to those who beleive its not B&M.

[Dormiens-Dave]

Now i'm sitting completely on the fence in regard to this, however, another point to make about the plans v ride manufacturer.

For the noise comparison they used X:/ no way out if it was a typical B&M track why not use air as the comparison.

If its not a typical B&M track then who knows the sky's the limit

[jipalu]

Welcome ImagineerJohn to TTF, on subject I completely agree, the supports and track match very well and i'd find it hard to deny this but premier rides, mack and Gerstlauer all make very similar tracks...

dormiensdraco - Correct me if im wrong but they tested on X:/NWO because it has switchback sections

[Mankey]

[quote=""ShootTheCore""]Can we please stop this "let's not criticize any manufacturers, they all have their good points" thing? Vekoma suck. Let's put it plainly. I will be highly disappointed if it's them. I'm sure it would still be an amazing ride, due to the theming, the setting and based on the track we can see on the plans, but for me it'd be the worst possible outcome in terms of manufacturer. Their trains hurt, they're rough and uncomfortable with a few notable exceptions (Velocity, I'm looking at you, yes I admit it you were pretty good for a mid-sized park). I know you're all gonna pipe up about RNR (which I have been on) and Everest (which I haven't) which are both amazing rides but strip away ALL the theming and both would be absolute rubbish. I'm not saying there aren't ANY good Vekoma rides, just that their hit rate is much, much lower.[/quote]

Theres nothing wrong with Vekoma, the thing is most people rate them on their rides which are a good 20 years old... With that, yes, I agree they have horrible trains, disgusting restraints, theyre rough and just bad rides... but for the time they were the Manta of coasters.

Vekoma have come a long way since this, and they truely are amazing manufacturers. To call them crap is quite silly really, as they've created more coasters than any other manufacturer (if i'm right) so... that kinda says something.

A couple of years back STC, I would have been agreeing with you on this one, but they're not as bad as everyone make them out to be. NO WHERE NEAR as bad!

[Sam]

[quote=""AstroDan""][quote=""ShootTheCore""]Vekoma suck. Let's put it plainly. I will be highly disappointed if it's them. I'm sure it would still be an amazing ride, due to the theming, the setting and based on the track we can see on the plans, but for me it'd be the worst possible outcome in terms of manufacturer. Their trains hurt, they're rough and uncomfortable with a few notable exceptions (Velocity, I'm looking at you, yes I admit it you were pretty good for a mid-sized park). I know you're all gonna pipe up about RNR (which I have been on) and Everest (which I haven't) which are both amazing rides but strip away ALL the theming and both would be absolute rubbish. I'm not saying there aren't ANY good Vekoma rides, just that their hit rate is much, much lower.
[/quote]
I must say that's unduly harsh on Vekoma. They have the capabilities to build very high quality rollercoasters as has been shown with Mammut, Colorado Adventure etc. Add in the Alton theming, and I would say Vekoma are probably just as tasty for this project as any other manufacturer.[/quote]
Yet again I'd say both of those rides rely on heavy theming to hide a pretty rubbish coaster, or at least one with nothing special to it. I have yet to see Vekoma recently make a good thrill ride. They're just churning out dull but perfectly agreeable family coasters.

Strip away the theming and you can see them for what they really are:



Colorado's Adventure is ANOTHER Vekoma that relies on amazing theming to carry a pretty rubbish looking vanilla ride. Do you start to see a pattern emerging? Take Nemmy out of it's pit and plonk in on a car park somewhere and it would look really weird and terrible. But it would still give an amazing ride experience, ride experience here meaning the actual trains and track, nothing visual.

[quote=""Mankey""]Vekoma have come a long way since this, and they truely are amazing manufacturers. To call them crap is quite silly really, as they've created more coasters than any other manufacturer (if i'm right) so... that kinda says something.

A couple of years back STC, I would have been agreeing with you on this one, but they're not as bad as everyone make them out to be. NO WHERE NEAR as bad! [/quote]
Name one good recent THRILL coaster by Vekoma then. That carries itself purely on the actual vanilla rollercoaster itself, rather than any theming.

I think as a community we need to be more critical of this "family thrill" movement, a little bit of it is OK but too much and it just dilutes both ends of the spectrum it is aiming for and you end up with a park of very bland attractions.

[quote=""JamesJ.""]If Vekoma are good enough for Disney, then surely they are good enough for Alton?[/quote]
Since when are Disney the world bench mark for theme parks? I have been to WDW and personally think Alton Towers is a better overall theme park. Islands of Adventure definitely is, and theres a few other theme parks I've been to and some I haven't that could potentially make a claim to be better. Disney isn't the be all and end all of theme parks, just because they invented it.

[Dylan]

[quote=""ImagineerJohn""]I decided to register here after seeing how much speculating is going on and i want to refer to 2 posts i made on other forums regarding the company.

I believe it wil not be a B&M.. Many will now be saying "Wheres your evidence". Well heres probably the strongest evidence i looked into suggest it is Intamin rather than B&M.

Post 1: [url=http://www.towersnerd.com/community/sho ... tcount=367" target="_blank]http://www.towersnerd.com/community/sho ... tcount=367[/url]
Post 2: [url=http://www.towersnerd.com/community/sho ... tcount=370" target="_blank]http://www.towersnerd.com/community/sho ... tcount=370[/url]

I hope this is a little bit more believable and offers some more evidence to those who beleive its not B&M.[/quote]

I know people love to speculate on manufacturer, but does anyone actually think it will be anyone other than Intamin. The designs clearly show Intamin track and supports. ImagineerJohn's post shows good evidence of this. Why would any other manufacturer 100% copy an Intamin design?
Another good example is Jet Rescue, which has a nice ground hugging twisty layout.
[url=http://rcdb.com/ig4293.htm" target="_blank]http://rcdb.com/ig4293.htm[/url]
Compare it to the SW6 plans....it's the same! Well apart from the lift hill and 'mega-lite ish first section!